Subject	It's not a blurb :). MS got the first mover's advantage
Posted by	ZCulture on February 13, 2008 at 12:34 AM
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In Reply To	a little blurb about the MS/AMS manifold debacle posted by aliaZ on February 12, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Message	and has probably already recovered the R&D costs. Moreover, they have the reputation which will continue to help sales. Innovation payback cannot continue indefinitely. If they didn't recover their ROI, it's because of their miscalculation and/or inability to keep up with the demand. The blog was pretty badly written and I really didn't see the China connection. It's all economics in play; there's no IP here to protect.
Follow Ups	a little blurb about the MS/AMS manifold debacle - aliaZ 23:22:57 02/12/08 Classic analysis: - Bernie (NoVA) 23:28:02 02/12/08 This spring I will be getting a new radiator and I was - ShakaShaun(Denver) 23:30:57 02/12/08 they could have at least included speed holes (n/m) - Guapo 23:32:14 02/12/08 I had a sister named endojima (n/m) - zgene4 23:48:19 02/12/08 AMEN! All i can say is i LOVE IT. He is a coward and - 5280Z_nightstalker 00:00:01 02/13/08 Alweays Made by Stealing. very nice. (n/m) - nemo1080 00:04:49 02/13/08 2nd. That one will stick w/ me. (n/m) - Hawkin"Z" 09:17:12 02/13/08 ehh - zxtuner161 00:02:47 02/13/08 "z32 parts are overpriced to begin with" - nemo1080 00:05:47 02/13/08 Go look up BMW performance parts, - BlackholeZ 00:28:59 02/13/08 bmw's also sell for alot (n/m) - zxtuner161 00:31:34 02/13/08 you are sounding more and more ignorant - gt300zxtt 00:37:26 02/13/08 its an opinion... - zxtuner161 00:44:12 02/13/08 Re: its an opinion... - Alan(NJ) 10:23:46 02/13/08 Prices are reasonable - lazer(AK) 13:31:22 02/13/08 i hope you are being completely facetious (n/m) - gt300zxtt 00:26:00 02/13/08 you're clueless (n/m) - aliaZ 00:31:04 02/13/08 i'm hoping people have more to back up they say - zxtuner161 00:32:22 02/13/08 ehh - aliaZ 00:43:55 02/13/08 thank's for the jump to conclusion of - zxtuner161 00:48:25 02/13/08 you gained a few points with the logic on this one, thank - gt300zxtt 01:12:47 02/13/08 btw - they told you that ? (n/m) - ztunerz 08:17:40 02/13/08 I'm going to believe what aliaZ said only because - Spongerider :) 12:41:02 02/13/08 of coarse, lets all just assume =] (n/m) - zxtuner161 14:18:26 02/13/08 i'm not saying i don't believe him - just curious about the - ztunerz 15:53:57 02/13/08 since you are apparently being serious - gt300zxtt 01:01:22 02/13/08 ... - zxtuner161 01:30:12 02/13/08 a million times over: You have to Pay to Play - volcomstone550 02:41:02 02/13/08 The same for product vendors. It is a two way street. - AZHeat 07:44:10 02/13/08 Do you hear the airplane? Vrroooommmmm!!!!!! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 11:28:23 02/13/08 you're an idiot. (n/m) - Spee 22:58:54 02/13/08 AMS should have more pride than that. (n/m) - V8Killah 00:06:28 02/13/08 *should - gt300zxtt 01:17:52 02/13/08 Where have you been for the last 15-20 years? - LJZTT 11:32:45 02/13/08 *shrug* - vorpalZ 00:09:25 02/13/08 good point (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 10:23:33 02/13/08 I think you underestimate the expanse of Z-owners who - LJZTT 11:35:09 02/13/08 maybe, - vorpalZ 12:03:22 02/13/08 around here, not so much - LJZTT 20:07:18 02/13/08 hmm, he says there is no difference in the mani's - inf 00:28:12 02/13/08 Care to elaborate? (n/m) - Broke_as_**** 02:24:28 02/13/08 forgot where the thread was... - inf 02:55:02 02/13/08 that .002 diff or whatever was prob a manufacture defect - Ahmed 06:53:19 02/13/08 that's a far stretch (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 10:24:32 02/13/08 yes, calling 0.002" variance "different" is indeed a stretch (n/m) - Guapo 10:56:22 02/13/08 I was only referring to it being a 'unintentional defect' - CRAZZEPETE. 11:29:14 02/13/08 Manufacturing variance would be more apt. Hell, you can get - Guapo 11:38:44 02/13/08 I believe it was more than .002. Pull up the post. (n/m) - AZHeat 12:05:55 02/13/08 Irellevant. It was close enough to be laughable to be - Guapo 12:15:34 02/13/08 I suppose (n/m) - CRAZZEPETE. 12:18:42 02/13/08 ^^ 2nd what Guap said (n/m) - Ahmed 12:20:07 02/13/08 -5 what guapo said (n/m) - inf 13:28:22 02/13/08 here it is - inf 13:27:36 02/13/08 lol ... exactly. (n/m) - Guapo 13:33:07 02/13/08 some parts there was .060 difference. That is about 1.5mm - AZHeat 13:58:54 02/13/08 well within margin for error when measuring (n/m) - Guapo 17:06:30 02/13/08 You're kidding right? Do you measure engine parts for specs? (n/m) - AZHeat 20:41:36 02/13/08 my point was that its not significantly diff from the MS (n/m) - Ahmed 11:53:41 02/13/08 In this case the Chinese don't have much to do with it - Bezza 00:32:03 02/13/08 It's not a blurb :). MS got the first mover's advantage - ZCulture 00:34:15 02/13/08 here is the complete blog - aliaZ 00:56:15 02/13/08 Coming to your nearest Walmart. (n/m) - AZHeat 07:15:25 02/13/08 Very biased article - tya 02:32:51 02/13/08 what you say is a very common perception - ztunerz 08:44:08 02/13/08 No one is saying to lynch the Chinese - SeedyROM 11:54:48 02/13/08 Re: Very biased article - Spongerider :) 12:30:15 02/13/08 apple computers are assembled in china - good QC (n/m) - ztunerz 15:55:27 02/13/08 Apple is not a small to medium size company... - Hiratsuka0689 (ATL) 16:14:22 02/13/08 Why do people assume that Made in China = - AZHeat 07:42:00 02/13/08 Ya, i mean, chinese stuff has ALWAYS been high quality... - Keaner 09:39:46 02/13/08 you made a poor argument - CRAZZEPETE. 10:30:11 02/13/08 nowadays you are correct, - Hiratsuka0689 (ATL) 11:11:09 02/13/08 I watch a news report on China becoming an industrial - AZHeat 11:13:00 02/13/08 many americans are ignorant to where many parts - inf 13:30:00 02/13/08 Made in China =... - induetime 20:55:33 02/13/08 >>> - ztunerz 08:14:13 02/13/08 agreed on that point ... caveat: the parts are in stock (n/m) - The Devils Z 10:31:40 02/13/08 true - there were 2 sets available :) (n/m) - ztunerz 10:49:55 02/13/08 link is not working for me (n/m) - ztunerz 08:15:02 02/13/08 Ok who in their right mind would even import AMS stuff? - MOZZ 08:33:34 02/13/08 what do you mean? USA imports many many things - CRAZZEPETE. 10:31:48 02/13/08 I put the blog article on Digg if anyone cares... - Tu 11:25:26 02/13/08 The chinaman is not the issue here, Dude. (n/m) - dpjax 12:39:33 02/13/08 I never said the chinaman is the issue, Dude. - aliaZ 13:14:06 02/13/08 I'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, Dude. (n/m) - dpjax 13:36:28 02/13/08 you lost me, Dude. - aliaZ 14:06:36 02/13/08 No, I'm the dude, duderino, your dudeness if you're into the - zgene4 19:02:40 02/13/08 the Dude... - Tu 15:04:28 02/13/08 How did they copy it? Did they buy some MS ones or - moxie (SF) 16:15:11 02/13/08 It's in *SEARCH*. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 18:30:29 02/13/08 I just purchased an AMS radiator. Good thing it's still in - 91z tt 17:18:51 02/13/08 Yea, but they have your money. (n/m) - AZHeat 10:49:26 02/14/08 haha, awesome. (n/m) - Spee 22:57:20 02/13/08
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